Open Source, Agents, and the Next AI Wave w/ Angie Jones

Recorded live at All Things Open, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf talk with Angie Jones about AI, coding models, and the evolving landscape of open source. They unpack the importance of community-driven tooling, skill gaps in using AI, the future of agentic systems, and why open communities matter in shaping technology.

In this episode:

• (00:00) - Intro
• (01:18) - Wine rating & review
• (03:30) - Hot Take: Claude vs ChatGPT
• (04:20) - Hot Take: Is HTML a programming language?
• (04:56) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language?
• (05:31) - Hot Take: Is AI to blame when people do dumb shit with it?
• (09:50) - How open source shaped Angie’s career
• (14:54) - The problem with AI training on open source data
• (23:02) - What is MCP and why does it matter?
• (25:10) - Using MCP when you don’t follow every part of the spec
• (26:25) - Are we building new walled gardens inside MCP?
• (31:16) - Building DevRel in a rapidly-changing AI landscape
• (36:06) - Conference season stress & preparing new talks
• (39:41) - Where to find Angie online

Links

• Ep 175: Decentralized Identity: The Future of Privacy and Security with Angie Jones: https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jones [https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jones]
• Block: https://block.xyz/ [https://block.xyz/]
• MCP: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/ [https://modelcontextprotocol.io/]
• Claude: https://claude.ai [https://claude.ai/]
• ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/ [https://chatgpt.com/]
• HTML: https://www.w3schools.com/html/ [https://www.w3schools.com/html/]
• CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ [https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/]
• All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/ [https://allthingsopen.org/]
• Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/ [https://www.microsoft.com/]
• GitHub: https://github.com/ [https://github.com/]
• NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ [https://www.npmjs.com/]
• GooseAI: https://goose.ai/ [https://goose.ai/]
• Sam Altman: https://x.com/sama [https://x.com/sama]
• Peter Thiel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel]
• Marc Andreessen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen]
• Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ [https://www.anthropic.com/]
• Ember: https://emberjs.com/ [https://emberjs.com/]
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com [https://www.youtube.com/]
• Kent C. Dodds: https://kentcdodds.com/ [https://kentcdodds.com/]
• Chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome/ [https://www.google.com/chrome/]
• Safari: https://www.apple.com/safari/ [https://www.apple.com/safari/]
• Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ [https://www.cursor.com/]
• DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/ [https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/]
• Angie's keynote at DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/ [https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/]

Connect with Jason

• Website: https://jason.energy/ [https://jason.energy/]
• X / Twitter: https://x.com/jlengstorf [https://x.com/jlengstorf]

Connect with Angie

• Website: https://angiejones.tech [https://angiejones.tech/]
• X / Twitter: https://x.com/techgirl1908 [https://x.com/techgirl1908]

Connect with the hosts

• Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner [https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner]
• Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd [https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd]
• Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink [https://x.com/argyleink]

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