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  "description": "Recorded live at All Things Open, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf talk with Angie Jones about AI, coding models, and the evolving landscape of open source. They unpack the importance of community-driven tooling, skill gaps in using AI, the future of agentic systems, and why open comm",
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  "publishedAt": "2025-11-06T07:00:00.000Z",
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  "textContent": "Recorded live at All Things Open, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf talk with Angie Jones about AI, coding models, and the evolving landscape of open source. They unpack the importance of community-driven tooling, skill gaps in using AI, the future of agentic systems, and why open communities matter in shaping technology.\n\nIn this episode:\n\n * (00:00) - Intro\n * (01:18) - Wine rating & review\n * (03:30) - Hot Take: Claude vs ChatGPT\n * (04:20) - Hot Take: Is HTML a programming language?\n * (04:56) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language?\n * (05:31) - Hot Take: Is AI to blame when people do dumb shit with it?\n * (09:50) - How open source shaped Angie’s career\n * (14:54) - The problem with AI training on open source data\n * (23:02) - What is MCP and why does it matter?\n * (25:10) - Using MCP when you don’t follow every part of the spec\n * (26:25) - Are we building new walled gardens inside MCP?\n * (31:16) - Building DevRel in a rapidly-changing AI landscape\n * (36:06) - Conference season stress & preparing new talks\n * (39:41) - Where to find Angie online\n\nLinks\n\n * Ep 175: Decentralized Identity: The Future of Privacy and Security with Angie Jones: https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jones [https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jones]\n * Block: https://block.xyz/ [https://block.xyz/]\n * MCP: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/ [https://modelcontextprotocol.io/]\n * Claude: https://claude.ai [https://claude.ai/]\n * ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/ [https://chatgpt.com/]\n * HTML: https://www.w3schools.com/html/ [https://www.w3schools.com/html/]\n * CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ [https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/]\n * All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/ [https://allthingsopen.org/]\n * Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/ [https://www.microsoft.com/]\n * GitHub: https://github.com/ [https://github.com/]\n * NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ [https://www.npmjs.com/]\n * GooseAI: https://goose.ai/ [https://goose.ai/]\n * Sam Altman: https://x.com/sama [https://x.com/sama]\n * Peter Thiel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel]\n * Marc Andreessen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen]\n * Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ [https://www.anthropic.com/]\n * Ember: https://emberjs.com/ [https://emberjs.com/]\n * YouTube: https://www.youtube.com [https://www.youtube.com/]\n * Kent C. Dodds: https://kentcdodds.com/ [https://kentcdodds.com/]\n * Chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome/ [https://www.google.com/chrome/]\n * Safari: https://www.apple.com/safari/ [https://www.apple.com/safari/]\n * Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ [https://www.cursor.com/]\n * DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/ [https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/]\n * Angie's keynote at DevRelCon: https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/ [https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/]\n\nConnect with Jason\n\n * Website: https://jason.energy/ [https://jason.energy/]\n * X / Twitter: https://x.com/jlengstorf [https://x.com/jlengstorf]\n *  \n\nConnect with Angie\n\n * Website: https://angiejones.tech [https://angiejones.tech/]\n * X / Twitter: https://x.com/techgirl1908 [https://x.com/techgirl1908]\n\nConnect with the hosts\n\n * Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner [https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner]\n * Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd [https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd]\n * Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink [https://x.com/argyleink]\n\nSubscribe and stay in touch\n\n * Website: https://whiskey.fm [https://whiskey.fm/]\n * Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603]\n * Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf [https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf]\n * Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 [https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603]\n * YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot [https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot]\n\nWhiskey Web and Whatnot Merch\nEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund [https://whiskey.fund/].",
  "title": "Open Source, Agents, and the Next AI Wave w/ Angie Jones"
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