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  "path": "/t/ai-systems-have-no-hunger-a-thought-experiment-on-darwinian-alignment/174760#post_15",
  "publishedAt": "2026-04-05T09:48:43.000Z",
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  "textContent": "I am basically outsider too. Started learning all the ML shit 6 months ago. Just a few short remarks on your proposal:\n\n  1. To be truly Darwinian I’d say there’s a one huge missing point. On top of the so-called Natural selection (if you wish, the “Survival of the fittest” in a not so welcoming environment, i.e. getting enough food among other thing), there should be the second equally or even more important evolutionary adaptive force: Sexual selection (Mate Choice). And I can imagine this one would be multiple times difficult to model than your proposal solely.\n  2. I am not sure abou that ethics part, too. Yes, it seems a kind of obvious that e.g. “physical” constraints with implication on ethics, like nr. 1 - they cannot modify their own code, are much needed. I am no expert on darwinism either, but AFAIK ethical behavior was developed through evolutionary forces from social emotions (Franz de Wall and many others). Therefore, nr. 2-4 seem to me as very “artificial” (lol) and not darwinian. In other words, if you want from agents to develop “genuine” ethics, it has to be done through evolutionary forces.\n  3. How “extensive” that proposed environment should be? And how many agents should exist there? I am not able to come up with any speculation how to tackle such question.\n\n\n\nSorry for being brief too much. If I got some replies, I find more time for proper response(s).\n\nCheers,\n\nOndrej",
  "title": "AI Systems Have No Hunger: A Thought Experiment on Darwinian Alignment"
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