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  "publishedAt": "2026-05-25T22:48:14.000Z",
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  "tags": [
    "1835 to 1869 - 34 years",
    "1855 to 1876 - 21 years",
    "1854 to rebuild 1874 to 1893~1906 - 20 years seems right",
    "1855 to 1877 - 22 years",
    "1863 (rebuilt 1872) to 1912: 10 years or 40 years?",
    "1865 to 1930 - 65 years!",
    "e.g. Rio Grande No. 168: 1883 to 1938 - 55 years",
    "1872 to 1963 - 61 years!",
    "1877 to 1957 - 80 years!",
    "1881 to 1930~1962 - 49 to 81 years!",
    "there was continuous production from 1884 to 1918 so it's a bit hard - but the early ones seem to have been retired in the 1930s - therefore ~50 years",
    "1887 (rebuilt 1914) to 1945 - ~30 years",
    "1892 (boiler refit between 1914 and 1933) withdrawn between 1959 and 1971 - ~30 years?",
    "1892 to ~1920s - 30 years",
    "1893 to 1927 - 34 years",
    "1895 (rebuilt ~1914) to 1940 - 20 to 25 years",
    "built 1897 to 1913, withdrawn as late as 1972 - 60 years",
    "only lasts 19 years?",
    "which were in service from 1942 to 1988 in East Germany",
    "althonos"
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  "textContent": "> The idea for early vehicles is that due their lack-of-modern build qualities their life was a lot shorter.\n\nThe links were there to demonstrate this was actually not the case\n\nIf we take standard gauge locomotives <1900, a quick search on Wikipedia shows how long most of them lasted!\n\n  * Le Belge: 1835 to 1869 - 34 years\n  * 4-4-0 American (if you take for instance the GWR Waverley class, a 4-4-0): 1855 to 1876 - 21 years\n  * SBB Ec 2/5: 1854 to rebuild 1874 to 1893~1906 - 20 years seems right \n  * Sydney Railway No. 1: 1855 to 1877 - 22 years\n  * Central Pacific 4-2-2: 1863 (rebuilt 1872) to 1912: 10 years or 40 years?\n  * NS 700: 1865 to 1930 - 65 years!\n  * 4-6-0 'Ten-wheeler' e.g. Rio Grande No. 168: 1883 to 1938 - 55 years \n  * 2-8-0 'Consolidation': unclear\n  * LB&SCR A1: 1872 to 1963 - 61 years!\n  * NSWGR Z12: 1877 to 1957 - 80 years!\n  * NSWGR Z25: 1881 to 1930~1962 - 49 to 81 years!\n  * MAV 377: there was continuous production from 1884 to 1918 so it's a bit hard - but the early ones seem to have been retired in the 1930s - therefore ~50 years\n  * Canadian Pacific 374: 1887 (rebuilt 1914) to 1945 - ~30 years\n  * NSWGR C32: 1892 (boiler refit between 1914 and 1933) withdrawn between 1959 and 1971 - ~30 years?\n[*} NSWGR Z26: 1892 to ~1920s - 30 years (they had a second life as shunters but let's ignore that)\n  * Prussian S3: 1893 to 1927 - 34 years\n  * PRR D16: 1895 (rebuilt ~1914) to 1940 - 20 to 25 years (excluding late survivors e.g. tourist railways).\n  * KkStB 99: built 1897 to 1913, withdrawn as late as 1972 - 60 years (being conservative that the last one was one of the last builds)\n  * Caledonian Railway 439: built 1895–1925, withdrawn 1959-1962 - ~60 years?\n\nBut in reality this is a balancing problem more than an historical accuracy problem. Ingame, the old locomotives are already penalized because they are slower and less powerful. And for early starts (<1900) where you already struggle economically (slow train = less cargo payment, not powerful = only few wagons = low total payment) then having only 15 years to amortize the locomotive can be a bit hard. I think it makes more sense to want to replace them because you can but not because you need to. In particular if you are using calendar timekeeping - in that case a \"year\" of lifespan stretches so much that you may end up having to buy the same engine several time over the lifespan of its model because there is no newer one with the same role yet.\n\n\n> I'm open to discussion though as long as whatever the outcome is can be squeezed into an excel formula\n\nI'd be more in favor of using actual historical values where applicable/referenceable rather than automation. This would also be a nice parameter for gameplay. E.g. do I want to buy a Union Pacific 'Big Boy' since it has super high power, but only lasts 19 years? or should I go for a less powerful but sturdy DB 52 which were in service from 1942 to 1988 in East Germany? I'm pretty sure the roaster has a mixture of high-quality engines with some being more garbage?\n\n(btw noticed the 2cc intro date for the DB 52 is maybe wrong it currently says 1937 instead of 1942).\n\nStatistics: Posted by althonos — 25 May 2026 22:48\n\n* * *",
  "title": "Graphics Development • Re: [OTTD] 2cc TrainsInNML",
  "updatedAt": "2026-05-25T22:48:14.000Z"
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