General Discussion • Re: Pale Moon's PR Problem

I understand why you wish to avoid such a fork, both from how this sort of forking tends to kill larger projects and especially after realising the (more realistic) scenario where the extant XP forks expand their scope to adopt Windows 7 users and capture most of them would be about equivalent. Alas, it is hard for me to see another peaceful way forwards without people changing their values. This is not to say none exists; I am ill tonight and might not be my most mentally acute. My hope is really that such forks not see themselves as hostile to you, when I believe they can do what they want, and you can do what you want, without stepping on each other’s toes.

I think that you're very wise to point to this being a matter of values. Fundamentally, it does feel like to at least some extent, my values strongly differ from those of a lot of users here, to the point that I feel like half the threads on this forum make me angry in terms of what they say about Pale Moon users and who I'd be working to help. It truly does feel like incompatibility at times... though usually it's different with MC. His posts usually seem fairly aligned with my values, at least enough that I don't feel alienated the way I do at times when other members of the community post. Sometimes, I just wonder if the project as a whole is sustainable, if the only people using it want something different... if what I'm building is even capable of attracting people aligned with my values, and if not, what should I be building instead? You know what I mean?

I see the matter otherwise. The good things in life are never profitable. If good PC are unprofitable, so much the worse for the profiteer. I do not think we need firms for profit to create hardware, any more than we do for software. Where the interest exists, matters can be arranged.

I mean, if you want a future where the only way to get a new thing that is even remotely like a PC is to pay a high price for small-batch productions of RISC-V CPUs and maybe a GPU targeted at data centers that can still be used for such a machine, and of course for such a machine to have to run a specialized Linux distro because there's no more Windows or anything else commercially viable... then I guess this is how you get it. Can't say that I am a fan of pushing all the profit-seeking companies out of computing and having it be a boutique thing for people with an artisanal mindset, either with the money to get everything made almost custom or the stubbornness to keep old stuff viable until they die, but as you say, it is a difference in values and I guess there's no need to continue. We understand where one another are coming from, and I don't think either of us is likely to be persuaded by the other, although I appreciate the honesty.

We can both likely agree that we do not want to be forced to use smartphones in the future, at least, but have very different ideas of what compromises we'd accept and what it takes to stop that from becoming a reality.