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  "textContent": "> Actually, I was trying to say the opposite - although people talk about fast movement in the GNU/Linux desktop world, things actually tend to move glacially slowly, and there might not be much reason to do anything right now except warn the gtk2 Pale Moon users that their distro may (or may not) soon try to force them to upgrade to gtk3 Pale Moon. And that if Darktable feels they can upgrade to gtk4 in a 3-4 month period (with the help of AI), it doesn't really sound that impossible even if eventually after probably quite a few more years you feel you have to move off of gtk3. I think that's what I was trying to say.\n\nAh, that's a relief. I think if I was reading wrong, it's because I have a little anxiety about that. It's definitely not that I'm eager to move off GTK3, I just like knowing we have options, so we can maintain a situation such that if someone on Fedora or Arch does, by some chance, download Pale Moon, they'll be able to run it. Interestingly, at the moment... it's still possible to install GTK2 on Fedora even though RHEL has dropped it. I noticed that while doing my Python 3 port. I imagine that won't stay true forever, but it suggests Fedora's reputation for moving fast may be overstated.\n\n\n> Edit - I agree with most of what you've said here. I would just caution that most of your Pale Moon users are actually not using Fedora with the latest Gnome or Fedora or a RedHat clone with the latest KDE, even if that is where the development dollars seem to be flowing. The numbers appear to line up with most Pale Moon users using Debian/Ubuntu/Mint, and XFCE/Cinnamon/Mate/KDE. Their distros generally do not seem to be intending to move off of gtk3 anytime soon, and tend to not be the distros and users that use the latest versions of the \"major\" desktop environments. Whatever that's worth.\n>\n> Also, people very often say, \"I'm sick of this, I'm moving to BSD\", but almost no one ever actually does it, because they would lose access to their important applications. Take most of those statements with a huge grain of salt. I've seen a lot more people move back to Windows (or back and forth) over the years, than the tiny trickle of people that move to BSD and stay there, which I could probably personally count on one hand.\n\nYep, and I've honestly been on everything but Mac... I used Linux in the 2000s, went back to Windows... tried FreeBSD briefly, went back to Windows. Even used OpenIndiana (illumos-based) for a few years, still use it on one of my machines, but have drifted back towards Windows. That OpenSolaris fork is probably my favorite of the non-Windows bunch I've tried, though it's hard to put my finger on why. Now I mostly use Windows and run a ton of operating systems in VMWare, so I can use Windows to get my work done, but still help out people who are on Linux, Solaris, or some form of BSD since I learned a lot while using that stuff. So my own category that wasn't on the list is: People who've given up on trying to stick to one operating system and got into playing around with VMWare/VirtualBox because it lets them switch between operating systems without reformatting their hard drive or giving up on any piece of software they like.\n\n* * *",
  "title": "Browser Development • Re: Linux Pale Moon with Qt toolkit",
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