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  "textContent": "> GTK became dominant because of incensing issues with Qt/Motif, and object orientation being the new hotness at the time (partly due to the influence of Java on the \"anything but Microsoft\" scene). GNOME was kept in check because Sun Microsystems also had strong influence on its development, it's only with their collapse that Red Hat effectively gained majority control over freedesktop.org and their focus increasingly became \"Linux only\". After Sun's collapse, GTK 3 effectively killed GTK's popularity as a cross-platform toolkit in favour of Qt 5.\n>\n> These days, you'd never pick GTK unless you wanted to make an \"app for the GNOME platform\". In the past, things were different.\n\nThanks for sharing this with me.\n\nIt's kind of weird how Sun Microsystems winds up being so closely linked with the story of our codebase on so many levels. Like, first, there's all these early ties between Netscape and Sun. Then we find out Sun was collaborating with Red Hat to some degree to create a replacement for Motif, which is probably why GTK2 wound up being better than GTK1... and also better than GTK3 and 4, apparently. I had noticed that prior to GTK2, the standard seemed to be Motif, but then everyone suddenly shifted to GTK2 without explanation.\n\nIt really does seem like Linux in general started to become a much worse OS after the decline of Sun, the timing lines up surprisingly well... can't put my finger on why, but it seems like there is a connection.\n\n* * *",
  "title": "Other/future projects • Re: GTK2 revival",
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