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Using a VPN May Subject You to NSA Spying

Privacy Guides Community [Unofficial] March 31, 2026
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Either one makes a case for their points or they don’t. Drive by ‘figure of speech’ (passive aggressive or otherwise) doesn’t add anything to the discussion (not debate!) and is a recipe for threads veering off-topic (as you can tell from the back of forth following the comment on this thread).

anonymous420:

My threat model includes surveillance capitalism

Don’t have to use a public VPN providers for this, who may or may not be covertly logging /monitoring network flows (for whatever reasons: law enforcement, abuse prevention, etc). Of our own VPS deployments (like Outline Foundation’s getoutline.org[1][2] or Trail’s algo[3]), you can be super sure that you yourself aren’t logging anything (though the VPS provider might, but that is possible in the case of public VPN providers too… unless they completely own the data centers running their VPN servers, which is not common).


  1. I contribute to the project, but I am not associated with them. ↩︎

  2. https://github.com/OutlineFoundation/outline-apps ↩︎

  3. GitHub - trailofbits/algo: Set up a personal VPN in the cloud · GitHub ↩︎

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