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  "publishedAt": "2026-05-28T20:17:25.000Z",
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  "tags": [
    "NBA",
    "Podcasts",
    "2026 NBA Playoffs",
    "David Grann",
    "Fat Joe Da Gangsta",
    "Louts",
    "nba playoffs",
    "New York Knicks",
    "The Distraction",
    "back in 2023",
    "Eddie Lee Wilkins",
    "about that",
    "whichever",
    "juggernaut",
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  "textContent": "When we first had _New Yorker_ staff writer and bestselling author David Grann on the podcast back in 2023, Drew and I mostly asked him the sort of things that we would ask one of our heroes when he happened to be out there promoting a new book. We had a good conversation about that book and his process as a writer, but the real surprise of the episode came at the end, when Grann revealed that he was a true sicko of a Knicks fan. It's one thing to talk to one of your favorite writers about writing, and quite another to talk to that writer about Eddie Lee Wilkins. We made a note that we'd have him back on someday to spend a whole episode talking about the Knicks, at some point when they were playing well enough to warrant a whole episode of their own. Well, about that:\n\n\"The world is shit,\" the author of _Killers of the Flower Moon_ and _The Lost City of Z_ said early in our interview, \"but the Knicks are great.\" We focused mostly on the last part of that, and much of the episode is given over to a somewhat giddy discussion of whether one of the NBA's most reliably tragicomic franchises really has figured something out, and whether they actually have a shot against whichever juggernaut escapes the Western Conference Finals. Grann does know ball, but he also knows the Knicks well enough to know that this moment of cheering for a juiceful and flourishing team is a pretty severe outlier.",
  "title": "The Lost City Of Bing Bong, With David Grann"
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